_________________________
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_William Andrews _______|_________________________
| (1350 - ....)
_James Andrews _______|
| (1380 - ....) |
| | _________________________
| | |
| |_Unknown Chillington ___|_________________________
| (1350 - ....)
_John Andrews _______|
| (1405 - ....) |
| | _William Weyland ________+
| | | (1335 - ....)
| | _John Weyland __________|_Margaret Burnaville ____
| | | (1360 - ....) (1340 - ....)
| |_Alice Weyland _______|
| (1385 - ....) |
| | _________________________
| | |
| |_Unknown Fitzralph _____|_________________________
| (1365 - ....)
|
|--Elizabeth Andrews
| (1444 - 1485)
| _________________________
| |
| ________________________|_________________________
| |
| _John Stratton _______|
| | (1388 - 1439) m 1421 |
| | | _________________________
| | | |
| | |________________________|_________________________
| |
|_Elizabeth Stratton _|
(1410 - 1485) |
| _Andrew Luttrell ________+
| | (1349 - ....) m 1359
| _Hugh Luttrell _________|_Elizabeth De Courtenay _
| | (1379 - ....) m 1385 (.... - 1395)
|_Elizabeth Lutterell _|
(1388 - 1439) m 1421 |
| _________________________
| |
|_Catherine De Beaumont _|_________________________
(1380 - 1435) m 1385
[17975] Presidents William Henry Harrison and Benjamin Harrison are descendants.
[9733]
There seems to be a majority of sources that indicate that she was sister, not daughter of Fulk; and possibly, somehow, a niece of Gilbert, Count of Brionne. I will stick with Turton, even though he is somewhat unreliable, because the other pedigrees don't seem very clear (and reliable) to me either.
!Following is a post-em from Curt Hofemann giving, conflicting informationon Gunnora:
First, it's Aunou, not Anjou . . .
Flwg are my notes:
parents: Gonnor (Gunnor) was the daughter of Baldric the Teuton, and a niece of Gilbert, Count of Brionne. [Ref: McBride2 citing Burke's p118-120, CP VI p498-503, Wurts p47-70], father: Baudri "the German", father of Nicholas de Bacqueville, Fulk de Aunou, Robert de Courcy, andGunnor [Ref: TAF 21 Aug 2000 citing: Keats-Rohan "Domesday Book and the Malets: Patrimony and the Private Histories of Public Lives" in *Nottingham Medieval Studies* xli (1997), 18] Gunnora, sister of Fulk deAunou is not daughter of Osmund, but of Baudri. [Ref: TAF 26 Aug 2000] Fulk d'Aunou had a sister Gunnor [Ref: TAF: 21 Aug 2000]
Gilbert's wife, Gonnor (Gunnor) was the daughter of Baldric the Teuton, and a niece of Gilbert, Count of Brionne. [Ref:McBride2 citing Burke's p118-120, CP VI p498-503, Wurtsp47-70]
She (Elisabeth Van Houts) also argues that Robert confused things, that it was Baudri "the German", father of Nicholas de Bacqueville, Fulk de Aunou, Robert de Courcy, and Gunnor wife of Gilbert Crispin, who married the niece of Duchess Gunnor, while it was Nicholas's wife, Gertrude, who was niece of Gilbert of Brionne. [Ref: TAF 21 Aug2000 citing: Keats-Rohan "Domesday Book and the Malets: Patrimony and the Private Histories of Public Lives" in *Nottingham Medieval Studies* xli(1997), 18] note: this implies the Fulkwas Gunnora's brother, not father...Curt
While there is extensive debate, it is not generally felt (sic) that Fulk d'Aunou, son of Baudri the German is the same as Fulk "de Alneio", son of Osmund of Centemvilliers. (For example, Wace appears to distinguish the two toponyms.) Thus Gunnora, sister of Fulk de Aunou is not daughter of Osmund, but of Baudri. Likewise Gunnorade Aunou married, not Gilbert de Brionne, but Gilbert Crispin. Gilbert de Brionne comes into play as supposed uncle of Baudri's wife, although this seems chronologically impossible... [Ref: TAF 26 Aug 2000]
Based on the fact that Fulk d'Aunou had a sister Gunnor, Keats-Rohan has suggested that these two somehow got switched, and that it was Baldric who married the Gunnorid, while Nicholas married Gilbert's niece. This works better chronologically, since Gilbert de Brionne was two generations after Gunnor, his niece three and Nicholas four, while the wife of Nicholas would be just one, or perhaps two generation removed from Gunnor. Reversing them as Keats-Rohan suggests makes the wife four, and the husband three or four (because some of the nieces appear to have been grand nieces). [Ref: TAF: 21 Aug 2000]
Regards,
Curt[jweberBRI.ged]
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__________________________________________________|_______________________________________________
|
_Ranulph (Ranulf) De Bayeux _|
| (1017 - 1047) |
| | _______________________________________________
| | |
| |__________________________________________________|_______________________________________________
|
_Simon De Saint Liz Earl of Huntingdon and Northampton_|
| (1090 - 1111) m 1090 |
| | _Richard II Normandy Duke Of Normandy _________+
| | | (.... - 1026)
| | _Richard Normandy III, Duke Of Normandy __________|_Judith Of Brittany ___________________________
| | | (.... - 1035) (0982 - 1017)
| |_Alice, Alix of Normandy ____|
| (1021 - ....) |
| | _______________________________________________
| | |
| |__________________________________________________|_______________________________________________
|
|
|--Matilda (Maud) de Senlis De Saint Liz
| (.... - 1140)
| _______________________________________________
| |
| __________________________________________________|_______________________________________________
| |
| _Walthe Of Of Huntingdon ____|
| | (1065 - 1076) m 1070 |
| | | _______________________________________________
| | | |
| | |__________________________________________________|_______________________________________________
| |
|_Maud of Northumberland _______________________________|
(.... - 1131) m 1090 |
| _______________________________________________
| |
| _Lambert II Von Boulogne, Of Lens, Count Of Lens _|_______________________________________________
| | (1054 - ....) m 1053
|_Judith Of Normandy _________|
(1054 - 1086) m 1070 |
| _Richard Normandy III, Duke Of Normandy _______+
| | (.... - 1035)
|_Adeliza Of Normany Countess Of Aumale____________|_Herleva (Arlette), Officer Of The Househould _
(1029 - 1082) m 1053 (.... - 1050)
[8675]
Also Known As:<_AKA> Maud de /St. Senlis/
[8674]
Maude De Senlis
[11416]
Jutte Grafin Von Sulichgau
[7776]
U.S. President Abraham Lincoln is a descendant.
Ancestral File Number:
Maud m. 1st, Robert, son of Richard de Tonbridge, and 2ndly, to Williamde Albini, according to Dugdale, but Hornby, in his remarks upon Dugdale's errors, proves that such alliances, if not impossible, werevery improbable. A Maud de St. Liz is mentioned as wife of Saier deQuincy, being father and mother of Saier, 1st Earl of Winchester. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 468, St. Liz, Earls of Huntingdon]
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William De Say
[10554]
ABT 1067 - ____
Family 1
: Adeliza de Grandmesnil
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Jutte (Judith) Ingeltrude Of Friaul
[11416]
[11417]
849-889 - AFT 0902
Father: EBERHARD I Unruochinger
Mother: GISELA D'Aquitaine
Family 1
: ARNULF I of Bavaria
Family 2
: HEINRICH of Thuringia King Of Austrasia
Family 3
: Konrad II Markgraf Of Burgundy
Family 4
: Adalbert II Count In The Thurgau Scherragau
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_HUNROCH (Unruoch) III Count Of Friuli ________|
| (.... - 0839) |
| | __
| | |
| |__|__
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_EBERHARD I Unruochinger _|
| (.... - 0862) m 0842 |
| | __
| | |
| | __|__
| | |
| |_ENGELTRON of Paris ___________________________|
| (.... - 0853) |
| | __
| | |
| |__|__
|
|
|--Jutte (Judith) Ingeltrude Of Friaul
| (.... - 0902)
| __
| |
| __|__
| |
| _LOUIS (Ludwig) I, Holy Roman Emperor _________|
| | (0778 - 0840) |
| | | __
| | | |
| | |__|__
| |
|_GISELA D'Aquitaine ______|
(.... - 0874) m 0842 |
| __
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| __|__
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|_Judith Altdorf The Fair, Princess of Bavaria _|
(.... - 0843) |
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Bertrea Bertred Mainwaring
[7776]
[7777]
[7778]
[7779]
ABT 1197 - AFT 1249
Father: Ralph (Rafe) de Mainwaring
Mother: Amicia De Meschines
Family 1
: Henry (Sheriff of Staffordshire) D'Audley
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|
_Roger De Mainwaring __|
| (1130 - ....) |
| | _______________________________________________
| | |
| |___________________________________|_______________________________________________
|
_Ralph (Rafe) de Mainwaring _|
| (1155 - 1210) |
| | _______________________________________________
| | |
| | ___________________________________|_______________________________________________
| | |
| |_ELLEN ________________|
| (1133 - ....) |
| | _______________________________________________
| | |
| |___________________________________|_______________________________________________
|
|
|--Bertrea Bertred Mainwaring
| (1197 - 1249)
| _RANULPH "De Briquessart" De Meschines ________+
| | (1070 - ....) m 1072
| _Ranulph "De Gernon" De Meschines _|_Lucy (Lucia) Taillebois ______________________
| | (1099 - 1163) m 1141 (1074 - 1136)
| _Hugh De Keveloic _____|
| | (1147 - 1181) |
| | | _Robert De Caen Of Gloucester De Mellent_______+
| | | | (.... - 1147)
| | |_Maud Fitzrobert __________________|_Mabel Fitzhamon ______________________________
| | (1120 - 1189) m 1141 (.... - 1157)
|_Amicia De Meschines ________|
|
| _Amaury-III Seignour De Montfort Count Evereux_+
| | (1091 - 1137) m 1120
| _Simon II Le Chauve De Montfort ___|_Agnes De Galende _____________________________
| | (1121 - 1181) (1095 - 1181)
|_Bertrada De Montford _|
|
| _Robert De Beaumont Of Leicester_______________+
| | (.... - 1190)
|_Amice De Beaumont ________________|_Pernell Unknown ______________________________
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Maredudd ap Philip
[25495]
ABT 1392 - ____
Father: Philip ap Madog
Mother: Elen verch Gwilym
Family 1
: Jonet verch Ieuan
_Madog ap Gwilym ______+
| (1230 - ....)
_Ieuan ap Madog __________|_Jonet verch Gruffudd _
| (1270 - ....) (1280 - ....)
_Madog ap Iauan _____|
| (1332 - ....) |
| | _______________________
| | |
| |_Catrin verch Elidir Ddu _|_______________________
| (1270 - ....)
_Philip ap Madog ____|
| (1362 - ....) |
| | _______________________
| | |
| | __________________________|_______________________
| | |
| |_____________________|
| |
| | _______________________
| | |
| |__________________________|_______________________
|
|
|--Maredudd ap Philip
| (1392 - ....)
| _______________________
| |
| __________________________|_______________________
| |
| _____________________|
| | |
| | | _______________________
| | | |
| | |__________________________|_______________________
| |
|_Elen verch Gwilym __|
(1362 - ....) |
| _______________________
| |
| __________________________|_______________________
| |
|_____________________|
|
| _______________________
| |
|__________________________|_______________________
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